During the 1980s Dave Stieb had a 48.1 WAR and a 126 ERA+ while Jack Morris tallied a 30.3 WAR and a 109 ERA+; Stieb, not Morris was the best pitcher of the decade.
Dave Steib remains the Toronto Blue Jays all-time leader in many pitching categories
The Toronto Blue Jays selected Dave Stieb in the 5th round of the MLB draft in 1978. A year later he was in the big leagues. In his rookie year the right-hander tossed 7 complete games and a shutout while splitting his 16 decisions. In his sophomore year of 1980 Stieb made the All Star team for the
Dave Steib remains the Toronto Blue Jays all-time leader in many pitching categories
The Toronto Blue Jays selected Dave Stieb in the 5th round of the MLB draft in 1978. A year later he was in the big leagues. In his rookie year the right-hander tossed 7 complete games and a shutout while splitting his 16 decisions.
In his sophomore year of 1980 Stieb made the All Star team for the first time. After another All Star campaign in ’81, Stieb had a dominant season in ’82.
Pitching for a Toronto club that finished in 6th place, 17 games behind division-winning Milwaukee, Stieb tossed a league-leading 288 1/3 innings. He topped all AL hurlers in complete games (19), shutouts (5). The Sporting News named him their Pitcher of the Year.
Despite also leading the Junior Circuit with a 7.6 WAR, Stieb placed fourth in Cy Young balloting. The three men receiving more votes than Stieb had far less WAR. Pete Vukovich with a 2.8 WAR won the award. Jim Palmer (4.8 WAR ), and Dan Quisenberry (3.3 WAR) finished second and third, respectively. Stieb’s 17-14 record and 3.25 ERA didn’t impress enough writers.
In ’83 Stieb made his third All Star team in four years. He again won 17 and again led the Junior circuit in WAR. Stieb allowed the second fewest hits per innings pitched, was second in innings thrown, and third in ERA. He did not receive even a single Cy Young vote.
It was more of the same in ’84. Stieb lowered his ERA to 2.83, good for second in the league. His 146 ERA+ topped AL pitchers as did his 7.9 WAR. His third consecutive season of leading the Junior Circuit pitchers in WAR yielded him one lone vote in the Cy Young race.
The 1985 campaign was again outstanding for Stieb. He received the Pitcher of the Month honors in May after going 4-1 with a 1.69 ERA. In July Stieb made the All Star for the 5th time in 6 years. He lowered his ERA to a career-best 2.48. When the season ended, Stieb stood atop the AL leaderboard in ERA+ while giving up the fewest hits per nine innings in the league. He finished 7th for the Cy Young.
Stieb had his share of standout contests. In each of his final two starts in 1988 he carried no-hitters into the ninth before surrendering a hit with one out to go. The next year on August 4, 1989 he retired the first 26 Yankee batters. Roberto Kelly snapped the perfect game bid with Stieb just one out away from baseball immortality. Finally in 1990 Stieb got his gem with a no-hitter at Cleveland on September 2nd. It was the first no-no in Blue Jays history.
The 1990 season gave Stieb his 7th and final All Star selection. He finished 4th in the AL in wins and pitcher’s WAR, 5th in ERA and hits/9 innings, and 6th in WHIP.
Shoulder and back injuries derailed Stieb in 1991, ending his season in late May. He returned in 1992 and pitched to a 5.04 ERA in 21 appearances before becoming a free agent. The White Sox signed him in December. He made just four starts before his release on May 23rd. Two months later he announced his retirement.
In 1998 Stieb was with the Toronto as a spring training coach. Five years removed from his last major league outing, Stieb asked skipper Tim Johnson for a chance to pitch. Stieb worked up his arm strength in the minors before making his season debut with a scoreless outing at Baltimore on June 18th.
Stieb started three games and appeared in 19 overall. Out of the bullpen he allowed 1 run or less in 13 of 16 games. The Jays invited Stieb to return in ’99 as a reliever. He instead retired for good at age 41.
The right-hander appeared on the Cooperstown ballot in 2004 and was named on just 7 of the 506 ballots. With 1.4% of the vote, he was banished from the writers’ ballot. The following year was inducted into the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame.
Dave Stieb remains #1 in Jays franchise history in innings, wins, complete games, shutouts, strikeouts and WAR. There is little doubt he is the greatest pitcher the Toronto Blue Jays have ever known.
In the collection is this Dave Stieb autographed Strat-O-Matic card from his final All Star season of 1990. That year Stieb won a career-high 18 games to go along with a 2.93 ERA.
Bucknell University math major Hal Richman originated the Strat-O-Matic game in 1961. Advertised in Sports Illustrated and sold out of Richman’s basement, Strat-O-Matic gave its players the ability to make managerial decisions based on MLB statistics.
Career narrative got Jack Morris in the Hall of Fame though Dave Stieb was a better pitcher
The narrative of a player’s career is often as important to his Hall of Fame case as his statistics. Jack Morris had the most wins of the 1980s. He is also remembered for his masterful 10-inning shutout of the Atlanta Braves in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series. This helped build a narrative tha
Career narrative got Jack Morris in the Hall of Fame though Dave Stieb was a better pitcher
The narrative of a player’s career is often as important to his Hall of Fame case as his statistics. Jack Morris had the most wins of the 1980s. He is also remembered for his masterful 10-inning shutout of the Atlanta Braves in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series. This helped build a narrative that landed Morris in Cooperstown.
Dave Stieb was a better pitcher than Morris. In fact, he was the best pitcher of the 1980s. Stieb’s problem is he simply doesn’t have as strong a narrative as Morris.
What if Stieb had multiple Cy Young Award or multiple no-hitters? What if fans roundly considered Stieb the best pitcher of the decade?
Today’s more sophisticated Cy Young voters would’ve give Stieb the award multiple times. In 1982, ’83 and ’84, Stieb led the American League in WAR. Voters of the day still valued the team stat of pitcher wins above run prevention. In 1985 Stieb was again outstanding in run prevention, leading the league in ERA+, and lowest hits per nine innings.
What if he received two or three Cy Young nods? Would he be remembered differently?
Though Stieb threw a no-hitter in 1990, he also came within one out of throwing another one three times. In consecutive starts in 1988 Stieb recorded 26 outs before giving up his first hit. Then in 1989 he retired 26 straight batters before losing a perfect game with two outs in the ninth inning.
Single-game performances have little to nothing to do with a pitcher’s career value. Still, how would Stieb be remembered with a perfect game and an additional no-hitter or two to his credit?
Morris’ Cooperstown case was buoyed by his title of winningest pitcher of the 80s. The fact is it was Stieb who had the highest WAR total of the decade. By far. With today’s appreciation of WAR, multiple Cy Young Awards and no-hitters, Stieb would no doubt have the title of best pitcher of the decade.
Today Stieb is rarely mentioned as one of the game’s greats. He lacks the easily-identifiable milestones of 200 wins or 3,000 strikeouts. Even more than that, he lacks a strong narrative.
Dave Stieb deserves better.
Shown here is a contract between Jack Morris and the Autographed Ball Company When Morris penned his signature on this document on March 14, 1978 he was a 22-year old with 7 big league games to his credit. The Tigers fifth-round pick out of BYU, Morris soon blossomed into a Detroit mainstay.
This contract, signed five times allows Morris’ stamped signature to appear on souvenir baseballs with the stamped autographs of the team. For his trouble, Morris was set to receive a whopping one cent per ball sold.
Bobby Cox mismanaged the pitching rotation in the 85 playoffs, he had other pitchers on the bench and could’ve used them earlier in game 7, one never knows with Cox if the Braves tampering was a factor. We do know that after Cox went to the Braves with their formidable pitching staffs he only secured one WS in the 95 season. They went to several playoff series with big stars on the team but often came up short.
Bobby Cox mismanaged the pitching rotation in the 85 playoffs, he had other pitchers on the bench and could’ve used them earlier in game 7, one never knows with Cox if the Braves tampering was a factor. We do know that after Cox went to the Braves with their formidable pitching staffs he only secured one WS in the 95 season. They went to several playoff series with big stars on the team but often came up short.
love those guys. i enjoy watching them play until they are gone.